thoughts on Jennifer Lawrence’s photos hacked + leaked online

 

 

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A young woman takes naked pictures of herself and texts or emails them to a lover, or keeps them for her own amusement. There is nothing wrong with this.

There is, however, something very wrong with anyone who seeks to exploit or humiliate that woman by violating her trust and/or basic right to privacy by splashing those images online.

Equality begins with a woman’s ability to have control over her own body (….including naked representations thereof).

I mean, I’m all for desire, and the things we do and the games we play when we’re caught in the zesty back-and-forth of mutual lust.

It’s human nature to find each other attractive.

It’s human nature to want other people to find you attractive.

But a person’s sexuality cannot be divorced from the person herself (or himself): that hot body comes complete with an inner life, a personality, hopes and dreams, a range of emotions, family and friends, an intellect, and the will to consent. Or not.

When you deny a person all that rich interiority – when you deny a specific group of people that, and you do it thoroughly and consistently – you strip them of their humanity. You flatten them out. You reduce them to a two-dimensional existence.

That’s when it becomes oppression.

As Laurie Penny writes in her new book UNSPEAKABLE THINGS,

“it ceases to be about desire and starts to be about control. Seeing another person as meat and fat and bone and nothing else gives you power over them, if only for an instant. Structural sexual objectification of women draws that instant out into an entire matrix of hurt. It tells us that women are bodies first, idealized, subservient bodies, and men are not.”

Penny reminds us of Caitlin Moran’s

“litmus test for sexism, whereby if only women have to put up with a certain situation – say, seeing their gender reduced to oiled, half-naked, dead-looking stereotypes on every surface that’ll take an advert before they’ve even had their cornflakes – then it’s sexist. When it comes to sexual objectification, the misogyny is in the discrepancy.”

I was thinking about this when I went on Twitter and found out about the nude photos of actress Jennifer Lawrence, apparently stolen from her iCloud account. Scrolling through the #Jennifer Lawrence hashtag, I saw guys applauding the hacker who did this like he was some kind of hero, and I saw the inevitable comments about how she should not have been so stupid as to upload those photos to a cloud server in the first place.

What I didn’t see was any tweet that said, more or less: The hacker who did this? Dude. What an asshole.

When this happens to actresses – and this happens so often that many of us will roll our eyes and shrug it off, or assume it to be a PR stunt – it’s so easy to blame the women themselves. Reese Witherspoon did exactly that in an awards acceptance speech, saying that she was at the podium on behalf of “the good girls” while chastising the bad ones to “hide your face! Hide your face!” when they’re stupid enough to take naked photos that get uploaded and released without their permission.

There is nothing shameful about female sexuality.

There is nothing shameful about the female body.

There is nothing shameful in taking pride in that body.

What’s shameful is how this culture encourages women to loathe their bodies, worrying about everything from body hair and body fat to how we smell and look “down there”, thinking if we don’t properly monitor and control and pare away and remove, we won’t be loved.

What’s shameful is when this culture assumes a right to a woman’s body when the woman herself did not give permission.

What’s shameful is when this culture assumes it is okay for a person to use that woman’s expression of her own sexuality against her, and for their own benefit.

What is shameful is revenge porn.

“Women’s feelings don’t really matter,” writes Penny. “That’s the point.”

I like Jennifer Lawrence a lot. She’s a great actress, and she’s hilarious, and she seems like the kind of woman you would love to grab a beer with and talk and laugh and dance until you’ve closed down the bar.

So she took some naked photos of herself. So what.

But the hacker who leaked them online?

Dude.

What an asshole.

Sep 1, 2014
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Could not agree more.

Besides which who the hell understands how the cloud works anyway?

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Absolutely. Why do we not shame assholes?

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AND an asshole that should be prosecuted based on his outright violations of the Penal Code absent consent! (opinions then become irrelevant!)

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Comment spotted on HuffPo: “On one hand I think this is blatantly wrong, but on the other hand…oh wait that hand is busy.”

This. This right here is what’s so messed up about our culture.

And saying they shouldn’t have uploaded the photos in the first place is just a variation of ‘she deserved it, she was wearing a short skirt’. Slut shaming much?!

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@caitlin Grace. You’re comment made me laugh to myself. Cloud computing does NOT compute with me yet, can’t get my head around it.

Justine Musk… I love this post, thank you. I applaud you for articulating the point so well… This society’s denying of the interiority of female life has so much to answer for.

Young women (majority of) are so seduced by the imposed definitions of loveability, it makes me so sad, it angers me too. The exploitation of the fundamental human need for love breaks my heart.

Only this past Friday I watched 2 school girls booking tan appointments in a local salon, as they calculated the cost to them of doing so. Young young girls, probably with very little money to spend but who were compelled to hand it over just to prime their exteriors for the ‘look at me’ parade.

I constantly find myself wincing at this. I was one of those girls once too.. I got caught. I became alienated from the wholeness of my own self for too long. I got hurt. But I’m a lucky one, I found my way back.

I want to go over and shake these girls and tell them they are beautiful as they are. To spend their money instead on some good music. And if I did, I would be recommending the music of Sinead O Connor for a start. <3

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Women are doing this to themselves. Stop partaking.

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No, Marcus, I don’t think so.

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Hundreds of years ago, women were not allowed onstage. Today, we are lucky to have a plethora of talented, beautiful women who choose acting as their profession. But I wonder if this sort of thing would discourage women from pursuing acting careers? How many talented, wonderful actresses will become so terrified and disheartened by this sort of thing, by the eagerness of the public to devour her alive that they will either reduce their art to a hobby or reject it altogether?

Performers tend to be fairly sensitive people. Many, including myself, have various mental and emotional issues. (And that’s before the Hollywood Entertainment News Machine starts dissecting everything they say/wear/do.)

We’re so lucky to have all these women in the performing arts. If this sort of behavior continues, we could be looking at far worse than the resignation of female performers.

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I totally agree with you. Whoever leaked the photos is an asshole. Does he deserve punishment? Absolutely. That’s reason enough right there.

Is it victim blaming to say that if she didn’t want them to be leaked she shouldn’t have uploaded them in the first place? Sure.

However, I also think it’s outright negligent NOT to point out that the various cloud services that exist are not 100% secure and the only way to insure your sensitive data isn’t leaked to the general public is to not upload it in the first place. Far too many people just let their phones auto upload all their pictures to whatever the default cloud service is without thinking twice about it, and really… People ought to be cognizant of where their data is being uploaded and what the risks are for storing it there.

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Wow, @Guest.
What an asshole.

If you stand behind your statements, use your name. Your real name. Otherwise, you are just another dick.

Great article, @justinemusk. I think people are finally starting to wake up to the breadth and depth of this problem. Thanks for contributing your reflections to this growing awareness.

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@Amanda Grace @Amanda Grace Amanda Grace ( cool name by the way ;) ) This is why the work that I am doing , helping woman learn to love themselves as they are now – not botox, tanning, plucking,bodysculpting needed is, I believe some of the most important work in the world. When we can love all of ourselves in its entirety, even the bits we are ashamed of or want to hide then we might all be happy, healthy, more loving and compassionate people.

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AND I guess the Legislature consisted of “fascist feminine fools” when California Penal Code Section 502 became law?? I question the vile attacks and insults. A blog post is usually open to a healthy discussion, but why rudely insult the author??

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A note about Guest — who has been on this blog before. I’ve done the nice-girl thing in the past and actually tried to dialogue with him, to no avail. I’ve deleted his comments (and will continue to do so, unless he says something genuinely intelligent) because I’ve decided on a “no psychopath” policy, particularly when he’s given to abusing other posters here.

Also, he bores me.

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@nikkiana I can agree with that; people should be aware. (And a lot of us *are* aware but take that chance anyway for the sake of convenience, or it-won’t-happen-to-me, or carelessness, or by mistake, or whatever.)

And of all the information and materials the hacker had access to, look what he specifically and deliberately chose to leak.

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I agree with the be aware. But I’m always bothered by the what-is-reaonable-awareness line. So, don’t leave your door unlocked. Right. Lock it with a deadbolt. Okay. Also use a latch. Uh-huh. Maybe get a guard dog. Yeah. Build a fence. Sure. Maybe a wall with wire at the top too. Hmm. Get a security system. Check. Hire a security guard.

We all need to be aware, but at some point it gets ridiculous. I’m reminded of people who ask about the length of a skirt when a woman is attacked. This skirt is long enough. And this one. And this one. Oh. That one is too short. Where is that magical line that supposedly sends man out of control?

Anyway, yes, we need to be aware. Also, people need to stop being jerks.

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@justine musk in@justine musk Psycopath? That’s really rich but no banana, girlfren…particularly given the sociopathic character of your favorite hate movement.. You can’t do nice girl dialogue either because feminist bigots and bad asses can never be genuinely nice. Thanks for the cenorship compliment though. It’s helpful reassurance that I’m on the right track. It’ll be fatal to your kind in the longer term too. For the record I’m absolutely sure you didn’t censor me over boredom because I’ve given you more original thought in a few posts than you’ve given us on your whole blog.

And on a personal note, it IS really really sad to see/listen to the hurt little girl on her TED talk. She’s also on the right track but she’s so late to the game….probably because she did use her putative hotness to buy false power with sex appeal all these decades. That’s what’s truly boring in an age where whoredom is worshipped as female empowerment.

And newsflash for you, the only judgment about me being boring or bored that matters to me is mine. You might assess your-sex and yourSex by the same standard. That way some day you might also become genuinely interesting as a non-Musk good ass…in a world full of boring banal and ugly female bad asses who carry silly lady balls between their legs.

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Fully agree with OP.
Part 2: don’t put yer nekkid pictures on the internet.

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On second thought, @Guest, I will leave your last comment up. It speaks for itself.

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Firstly, I want to commend you on a your article.

I was however taken a bit aback by this:
> Scrolling through the #Jennifer Lawrence hashtag, I saw guys
> applauding the hacker who did this like he was some kind of hero,
> and I saw the inevitable comments about how she should not have
> been so stupid as to upload those photos to a cloud server in the
> first place.
>
> What I didn’t see was any tweet that said, more or less:
> The hacker who did this? Dude. What an asshole.

On this point, I’m sorry that is what you saw.

I only just now looked at that particular hashtag. It is true, I see mostly sophomoric responses by 15 year old gangsta’ wannabes, and guys that look like they might pump gas for a living. I hope you do not believe that this lot is representative of the larger population of the male gender.

As for myself, I had a busy day yesterday and missed this story until very late in the evening.

When I went on Twitter to see what all the tweet was about, I saw only solidarity and support for these women, and total condemnation of the hackers. It is what filled my feed from those whom I follow. Not just “including the men” but “especially the men.”

It was also the overwhelming sentiment on the top trending hashtag,
#IfMyPhoneGotHacked.

I know that there are bad men out there, they exist. Please do not judge every man by the lowliest of knuckle draggers or believe that they are representative of all men everywhere.

Hopefully those responsible will be identified, and prosecuted.

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@Chris Grayson Thank you, Chris — I’ve also noticed the change in tone + I probably hit the thread at a bad moment.

There are truly awesome men in my life, and there are a lot of men I respect immensely. The enemy of feminism isn’t men — it’s the systematic belief in female inequality, it’s patriarchy, and men carry their own burdens. Be well. :)

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@justine musk
Thank you Justine.
You be well too.
cheers

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@marta Really good points. Thanks

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@justine musk Selective censorship to stack the deck in your favor is always a pleasant reminder of the nasty but nonsensical nature of female bad asses. You can do better but that’s not likely because you are too tritely totalitarian to bite on big PIC ideas which confront your endless whining about relative trivialities. Therefore, your asinine, bigoted, evil ideology will have to carry you through…until men like Mike Buchanan (featured on London Live recently) call your credulous crap publicly that is. In the meantime, be speshul, sexy snowflake, but don’t plan on garnering respect as a truthful, morally mature, or wise adult woman.

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Poor, poor @Guest
All worked up and over-stressed.
So filled with rage
Can’t see past his cage.
Breathes fire and lashes out
Fails to build any clout.
Won’t reveal his own name
Especially not the reasons for his pain.
Seeks not to understand
Only to have the imaginary upper hand.
Violently tears away at his true potential
Losing power that arises from being more gentle.
Such is the curse of an uncivil man
Who chooses needless competition over the chance to create a more respectable global clan.

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If you don’t want them leaked, don’t save them on the internet. PLUS, why the fishcakes would you take a nudie pic? Doesn’t reality suffice? Jeezuzzz…

Best not to take nudes anyway, it’s better safe than sorry.. Technology users these days forget that there is no privacy in “technology”.. Learn it, live it, love it.. There ain’t no other way.. If you want privacy and still want to take pictures, good luck keeping them safe.. There is always a loop hole around anything in technology.. What the hacker did might be wrong in people’s perspective but I gotta salute the hardwork he went through and the skills he had, I don’t care what he did, but the skills and balls were definitely huge. Kudos..

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You take those pictures as a fun hot sensual exchange between you + your lover. Don’t knock it ’til you’ve tried it — and if you haven’t, well then I’m sorry. :)

But yeah, that’s why the hacker did what he did — to impress dudes like you. Jennifer’s privacy (and the others’) was just so much collateral damage. Good to know.

(Rolling eyes now.)

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Justine Musk, you are a lovely young lady that has many gifts, wife of Elon Musk, mother of his children, and you love writing and do a very excellent job of it. Take time to smell the roses which God has made for us all as we can get very confused by listening to so many different comments about women taking pictures of themselves in the nude, and etc. What in the world are we trying to prove as life is so short and eternity is forever. Please read the Psalms and Proverbs and of course the Book of John where you will have a compass for your life that will not lead you down the wrong path. Show love to each other and pray for each other as we can all get blinded at times at what is really important in life? We all need to forgive and be patient with each other as we all have trials that we go through to make us a better person. When you are not sure about something wait and do not be anxious about anything as we all need direction in our life and we do believe that God is speaking to us through different situations that we have gone through and will continue to go through. So glad to know God loves us unconditionally and like the movie “God is not Dead” as God is good all the time and all the time God is good! Please watch this movie and continue to see what He is doing in your life. You are an amazing young lady that has so many wonderful blessings in your life and your children will be one of the greatest blessings that you will ever have! Our son went home to be with the Lord at 28 years of age, but we thank God for his life on Earth, and thankful for all the wonderful memories we shared together before an angel took his hand and led him to his new home in heaven. Help us all to be patient with each other as God is not finished with molding us and shaping us into the person that He wants us to be! You and your family will be in our prayers! I have to ask myself many times a day just “How important is it anyway?” Your friends in Florida, Larry and Jean Lynch P.S. Please remember that you are loved and important to God as He counts every hair on your head and knows you better than anyone will know you and still loves you in spite of ourselves and wrong choices that we may have made in life! Praise the LORD for His unconditional LOVE! GOD is LOVE! Thank God that He is keeping us all HUMBLE!

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I suspect I’m older than many (most?!) of the posters, and thus grew up in an era before cell phones and selfies and an exchange of nude photos. (Though surely it went on with polaroids.) While I would have been too shy–and, as taught by the culture, considered my body not up to snuff–to do so, I understand it’s a new age. Things change. As a feminist I get that, and respect womens’ choice to do whatever they like. While there’s a risk of being exposed (sorry!) by taking private photos, those who exploit for profit, or any reason, should absolutely be prosecuted.

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I admit that I was being a bit facetious when I responded to the (so eloquently named) Hammerdude — because I do believe that the shame and blame here should fall on the hacker, and not on the woman — be it Jennifer, or any of the rest of us — even when she *does* have the audacity! the nerve! to explore and express her sensuality — as if it was, say, a gift from the Creator, a source of celebration and not of condemnation. I also don’t believe we should try and justify the hacker’s actions by saying she put the photos “online” as if she simply posted them to a blog like this one.

I appreciate your concern for my soul, Jean, and the souls of my children (although I have been happily divorced for a few years now). I find the female Christian mystics from the middle ages — Joan of Arc, Julian of Norwich, Teresa of Avila, Saint Clare of Assisi — to be fascinating, inspiring, amazing women. It’s a shame I never learned anything about any of them when I went to church as a child. I do believe that a person can have my feminist beliefs and still be spiritual, and perhaps one day organized religion (as I understand and have experienced it) will believe that also. :) Do you know the Christian writer Sue Monk Kidd? She wrote a memoir called DANCE OF THE DISSIDENT DAUGHTER. I loved it. I highly recommend it.

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god you’re a good writer. and so well said. Thank you for defending someone who most people feel is unnecessary to defend. And for speaking to every woman’s right to own, and love, her body and sexuality.

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Your article is really well-written and you are a really great writer. But…I’d add three thoughts to the topic, two of which might be a little controversial, the effect unintended and no less likely to be misunderstood.

The first thought is, don’t reflexively assume the internet troll was a man. That’s a fallacy of repetition mistake. Is it likely? Sure. Is it proven? No. Sometimes we have a tendency to repeat assumptions to the point where it becomes impossible to reverse the perception (perception is reality)…to the detriment of all.

Second, “shame” as a general concept is not equally shared by creeps and ‘average joe’s’ (average joe’s being people who don’t revel in schadenfreude). Instead of shaming the thief by labeling him/her “an asshole”, any word at all perhaps produces the exact unintended and opposite effect (and not merely to the thief; those who applaud the thief’s actions are no less accomplices after the crime, and probably no less bask in the media attention). nyone who spends their free hours causing denial of service attacks or writing prong software code is likely un-shamed to have actuially reached their goal. If anything, they’re ecstatic. Calling them ‘asshole’ is viagra for their mayhem.

Third, are we perhaps conflating the theft with seeing another human naked? Would you be so worked up about stolen photos of JLaw and Upton if they were in ‘normal’ activity (like, say, gardening)? Or has the uproar ironically revealed us to be less liberated than our self-conceit?

I spent a week in Munich years ago, and wandered over to the Englischer Gardens one afternoon; the business people would come out at lunch and strip down fully, body type all over the map, playing volleyball, ping-pong, eating lunch – by the end of the second day, I’m not sure if they had clothes on or not – by the end of the week, I assumed being naked was beyond normal and America was the one that was fucked up. You know, Ben Franklin swore by going naked every so often, walking his gardens with not a care in the world as to who saw him. Titillation comes from learned behavior, and in America, well, there’s still some learning to do…

To a great extent, your nakedness should do nothing for anyone other than your ‘other half’. A puritanical spirit, perverse voyeurism, and financial payoff for trolling in the mud of photo strikes is as much a result of what this country is, as a reflection of the creepiness of the creep. We watch movies where 100’s of people get mowed down by Stallone, but we slap NC-17’s on movies with skin…

To some extent, your post is complicit in the divide that is perpetuated by those who ignore real cause and effects. It’s not just “dudes” who applaud the sleaze and crime…there are plenty of dudettes out there bouncing in tune with the misery lovers. A Kardashian or Hilton woman exploits patently dubious hard-core “personal” skin flicks for ‘careers’ based on ‘brand’, where no intrinsic brand even exists; at the same time Upton and Lawrence are supposedly ‘diminished’ by pictures of them (you labeled this a sex crime, which I find an exaggeration…it’s a crime indeed, a theft, but no more).

OK, it happened…a crime was committed…someone’s gonna pay…but the victims will find grace in even their worst self-doubts (and this is not “the worst” that life offers, and if you think it is, visit your local children’s cancer hospital and get back to me). Any of us would give a bazillion to look a tenth as good as Lawrence or Upton. And in Lawrence’s case, this is a girl of incredible depth, humor, style, and fun. This will pass.

These photos belonged to the people who owned them. A thief stole them. Case closed. Don’t elevate the thief (by recognizing the thief at all, even “asshole”); don’t assign blame wantonly (could have been a dudette); and don’t overlook one of the root causes of the stupidity (is being naked really that big a deal?).

Hope this post is not interpreted in a way as anything other than an indictment of the crime; however, I do think there almost always needs a measured reaction to what often in this country can be seen as something that is simply not.

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1. If the hacker is female — given the percentage of women in tech + well-documented sexist nature of hacker culture itself — that would be a fascinating twist.

2. It’s not about who is feeling blame, but to whom we’re assigning it (as in: let’s not blame the victim, which tends to happen when women and nakedness are involved).

3. This is about violation of privacy and a woman’s right to own her body. Important issues, both.

4. Whether Lawrence is ‘diminished’ by this — I certainly don’t think she will be — is beside the point.

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1. You’d be shocked how many Russian hackers are female. And one thing they excel in is covering their tracks, by leaving hacker verbal footprints of a standard American Buttafucco.
2. I think your position is an oversimplification of a more complicated analysis…do you really think ‘most’ people blame the victim, or is it more accurate to say that the media plays up generalized stupidity to perpetuate false choices?
3. I agree, this issue is about “violation of privacy”. But to layer in “sex crime”, as some do, dismisses real victims of real sex crimes, and unintentionally can serve to elevate sympathy levels for these victims not commensurately with the level of crime committed against them.
4. She won’t be diminished, but mostly because she’s a strong character. Many Americans, especially media and idle online social communities, will drama rama the theft into a seminal moment of whatever the buzzword of the day is. It isn’t; it’s a theft, no more no less. And she shouldn’t care too much about what anyone thinks other than herself, her fiends, and her family.

Sposeba.

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@Stephen Green Yes, it is standard in this culture to blame the victim of sex crimes, and if you honestly doubt that, I encourage you to open a dialogue about this topic with some of the women in your life. And yes, this is a sex crime. (Sex crimes range along a continuum; of course this isn’t comparable to, say, the kind of gang rape + mutilation that is regularly taking place in the Congo. But the overarching narrative conducive to such actions is the relentless objectification and dehumanization of women as a group.)

Media reports are already referring to the male hacker under FBI investigation, but if he is revealed to be a Russian woman, I will send you some French macarons. :)

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You’re a well-spoken person. And I appreciate the honesty. Just not sure I agree with all you state. Americans fall victim to this weird American need for storyline simplicity, fact histrionics, and unjust conclusions.

Most people aren’t bad…but the bad ones hog the news. So we think everyone is awful.

Meanwhile, no one I know blames a woman if some douchebag harasses her. Or worse. Most people I know are decent, perhaps not as discreet/loyal as I’d wish, but they aren’t bad people. I realize some if not the majority of women might think that ‘men’ objectify relentlessly, but I’d measure that by adding the victimization culture/industry particular to America does the truth no favor here.

Look, I’m trying to teach my 14 year old girl how to be street-smart and yet stay care-free…without making her hate me! Who wants to see their daughters lose innocence, and yet,there is life..it can be rough and I don’t want her to think otherwise.

And, you’re indeed “too smart” to blindly believe media and government reports when they say someone is ‘under suspicion’. That suspect is an idiot who tried to extort, not a hacker. But if the Feds can somehow prove he ever took a hacking course, or if he speaks Russian, he’s dead, because the perception will become reality, and the people want a scalp…while the real thief goes for more.

So far as posts, the road not taken here is to join the noise…which would be easy. You choose the road less travelled by speaking truth to lies. I feel as a culture we have dumbed down complicated subjects, enabling injustices to abound. It’s more than the Lawrence and upton thefts…it’s everywhere, in our reactions and needs and words and policies and laws.

I appreciate the opportunity to post. Thx.

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@nikkiana

You’ve missed the point.

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IDK if you read all your comments – but my sis just sent me to your blog and though I’m sure you’ve seen this, I thought you’d appreciate this intelligent response by her:

From her interview with Vanity Fair:

“I started to write an apology, but I don’t have anything to say I’m sorry for. I was in a loving, healthy, great relationship for four years. It was long distance, and either your boyfriend is going to look at porn or he’s going to look at you.”

‘Lawrence also addresses the legal ramifications of the hack. “It is not a scandal. It is a sex crime,” she tells Kashner. “It is a sexual violation. It’s disgusting. The law needs to be changed, and we need to change. That’s why these Web sites are responsible. Just the fact that somebody can be sexually exploited and violated, and the first thought that crosses somebody’s mind is to make a profit from it. It’s so beyond me. I just can’t imagine being that detached from humanity. I can’t imagine being that thoughtless and careless and so empty inside.” ‘

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She is great. Thank you for that.

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“litmus test for sexism, whereby if only women have to put up with a certain situation then it’s sexist.”

So according to feminists – feminitiy is sexist. Pregnancy, motherhood, periods, sensitivity, caring, nursing, all sexist.

Ok then

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That is a deliberate mischaracterization of that statement and you are smart enough to know it.

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Meaning is always determined by context as well as the “literal meaning”, which is why it can be so misleading to take things “out of context”.

Leaping from “situations that only women have to put up with” to “women-only situations” is a distortion, and you know that.

I get it. You don’t like feminism. Have a good day.

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Mike:

“situations that only women have to put up with” = Situations that could be applicable to both sexes, but it is only applicable to one of them because of sexism. Oversexualization of the female body. That’s something that could happen to men and women, but only happens to women. On the other hand, only men are forced to go to war. Could happen to both sexes, but only happens to men. So it is also sexist.

WOMEN-ONLY SITUATIONS = Situations that only apply to women. It envolves both the ones which are product of sexism and the ones who are natural consequences of being a woman (like menstruation, pregnancy, etc.)

I m baffled that you fail to understand it. It is something really, really, simple. You are the one who should be improving your English (and text comprehension, and logical skills), not Justine.

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It was beautiful what you said about “that rich interiority”. It is amazing to see you have some experience in the Christian mystics; have you read anything by Edith Stein? I recommend her dissertation “The Interiority of the Soul”. I haven’t read very much by her, but what I have is very deep; I got some acquaintance with her during my philosophy studies.

Also, if I may continue this conversation…I very strongly agree with you that it is wrong what that hacker did; it shows more than anything something sad about our culture, that women are portrayed as objects to be used and discarded; but even more our understanding of love. I would not agree with you that any woman should try to attract another man to herself by using such pictures – yes, women are beautiful and their bodies are good and to be attracted is something good and natural, but to try to make a man love you with such pictures is impure (in almost it’s full meaning). Yes, most of the time our love as humans is impure, but we should still should not promote this or set it as a standard.

The 60’s revolution very well may have taught us something good, that freedom is essential for love, but there were still many lies tied in with it. Have you ever read “Story of a Soul” by Therese of Lisieux – her definition of love to me is one of the deepest. Thank you for article…good food for thought!

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I agree that it is foolish and misguided to “make a man love you with such pictures”. Whether true love is involved or maybe not so much, whatever two consenting adults freely agree between them, out of play and pleasure and passion, is no one else’s business.

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i’m a word chaser – hadn’t come across interiority before.. loving it. presents as interiority complex for me…and carves open my head like a tin opener.. you do good work; be well…

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I know this post is a bit old, but I just learned of your site today.

First off, I’d like to say that the internet as a whole has quite a tendency to be polar in its responses. This topic especially.

I’m a pretty indifferent person, in most situations like this, so I ask one question (keep in mind I don’t have strong feelings either way)

What if, hypothetically, there were never any hacker and the recipient of said pictures were the one to release them.. who would the blame fall on in that scenario?

I have my opinions of who the blame falls on, but there are already enough of those.

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